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ak1
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Posted - 05/30/2009 : 15:30:43 
Monkey Meat, its for newbies who can use it to make 1 trade per day at RHT Open in the diraction of previous open. It has a high sucess rate. BTW what is "Zen Koan"

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Posted - 05/30/2009 : 15:57:21 
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Originally posted by CharterJoe

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Originally posted by TraderMom

HI Monkey Meat...
Well here's the deal. I have an inheritance. I took a small amount of it to learn this. I paper traded for 2 years. I broke even for a very long time.. Which was just at frustrating as losing but at least there wasn't this pit in my stomach. I've only lost 1/5 of the money I started with but the money came from my mother's life work so I dunno. I'm super frugal anyway, so losing any money to me is losing money I can't afford to lose.

So I guess I could tell you right now that might be part of the problem or a psycological part of it at least.

I keep getting stopped out.. I've decdied that I would just trade the e-mini's and I had 8 good trades in a row before I went live. After I went live I had 8 good trades in a row,
then took a big hit and haven't gotten my mojo back since. It's like I completely forgot what I was doing that was making me money.
I wanna hang my hat and go "back to the books" but what books? I can't even remember what books are good anymore. I'm like a deer in headlights. Now I'm re-evaluating all my set-ups and indicators and it scares me cause now I'm going to change everything, and I know that it once worked. I don't know what's wrong with my moneymangement. I can't figure it out. How many times do you let a trade go against you before you hang it up for the day. I keep a journal and it's really helping me, but I can see how my disipline is lacking. I have several entries where I was ahead, and told myself to walk away, and didn't and lost all that I made. So I guess I will buy the trading in the zone book and see what happens. Thanks for listening. All advice is appreciated.





TraderMom, been there done all that. I understand what it feels like. I was getting stopped out trade after trade. And one day an old pro trader said to me...if you keep getting stopped out and then the trade goes the way you thought then why in the world are you using stops? It was my second ahhhh haaaa moment. I now will enter a trade and place a super large stop, only for emergency 9/11 type thing or power failure, or sudden fed announcement (I don't watch the news) What I do is enter when I am bullish and then exit when I am no longer bullish. Also trading the NQ for a long time instead of the ES helped me, and I still trade the NQ more than the ES. Could you walk me thru one of your normal bad days? What is making your trade setups?



This is dead on Joe ... and the perfect questions at the end about the walk-thru of bad days and what comprises a trade setup!!

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Posted - 05/30/2009 : 16:01:28 
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Originally posted by ak1

Monkey Meat, its for newbies who can use it to make 1 trade per day at RHT Open in the diraction of previous open. It has a high sucess rate. BTW what is "Zen Koan"



That was good info ak1. The way it was worded sounded like a Zen Koan to me for some reason. Google it because I've had a couple of beers that'd not allow me to describe it well at this point on a Saturday. Thanks for your input here, much appreciated!!

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Posted - 05/30/2009 : 16:12:50 
There's been a big time THEME to the posts so far. It's all about Psychology and Discipline with method ... but more importantly with money management and trade management. I'll try to adress the Vendor thing later from my perspective and experience. In the meantime, I'm attaching an MSWord doc about Money Management. Hopefully folks will find it helpful. Please feel free to comment on it and add to it. That'll only improve the quality of info on the topic here.


Click link to access uploaded file:
TradingMoneyManagementMypivots.doc


And TraderMom, I'd love to read your response to Joe's post ... or anyone elses to those same questions. This should be a candid learning experience that we all can learn from I hope ... me included!

TraderMom
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Posted - 06/06/2009 : 16:31:45 
I am so thankful to have found this place. I have done some research about the info I've found here. I loved that money management book, and the trading the 10 o'clock bulls. I think I have figured out a lot about what my problem is.. I went back to sim trading and have done really really, well.. (that always happens though) but now I even feel like I MIGHT know what I'm doing. I realized that even though I thought I had a strategy, I really didn't and what I did have was not iron clad, and I would change the rules as I went along... (I hate playing with people like that, and it seems the market does too) LOL..

I have been looking over at the strategies in this forum, and have learned a ton. I"m going to go back over there, and ask some questions. Again, I thank you all so so much.
If past history was all there was to the game, the richest people would be librarians...... Warren Buffet

ak1
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Posted - 06/07/2009 : 21:31:50 
TraderMom, with regard to managing STOP LOSS on thing that I can suggest is the say you entry a stop loss at 935, often you may find that the market comes hits the S.L at 935, takes you out and then turns and goes the way you wanted it to go leaving behind a spike. Well the answer is decide where you would like to enter the S.L but do not enter it. Instead if the market touches your S.L point wait for a close below it on a 1 min. chart. This way you can easily tackle the notorious spikes.

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Posted - 06/08/2009 : 00:18:28 
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Originally posted by ak1

TraderMom, with regard to managing STOP LOSS on thing that I can suggest is the say you entry a stop loss at 935, often you may find that the market comes hits the S.L at 935, takes you out and then turns and goes the way you wanted it to go leaving behind a spike. Well the answer is decide where you would like to enter the S.L but do not enter it. Instead if the market touches your S.L point wait for a close below it on a 1 min. chart. This way you can easily tackle the notorious spikes.



Is. S.L. swing low?? or... Thanks a bunch for helping!!
If past history was all there was to the game, the richest people would be librarians...... Warren Buffet

jimkane
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Posted - 06/08/2009 : 00:37:27 
quote:
Originally posted by TraderMom

quote:
Originally posted by ak1

TraderMom, with regard to managing STOP LOSS on thing that I can suggest is the say you entry a stop loss at 935, often you may find that the market comes hits the S.L at 935, takes you out and then turns and goes the way you wanted it to go leaving behind a spike. Well the answer is decide where you would like to enter the S.L but do not enter it. Instead if the market touches your S.L point wait for a close below it on a 1 min. chart. This way you can easily tackle the notorious spikes.

Is. S.L. swing low?? or... Thanks a bunch for helping!!

TraderMom, SL = Stop Loss

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Posted - 06/08/2009 : 00:41:31 
Got it.. Thanks.. but that kinda sounds like sudden death to me.I appreciate the feed back.. I check in to it.. Thanks a bunch..
If past history was all there was to the game, the richest people would be librarians...... Warren Buffet

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Posted - 06/21/2009 : 10:06:26 
What happened to this thread?

When I think of all the threads this was my favorite and exemplified what "mypivots" is all about. Helping people to become better traders and learning from one another.

I guess we need a catalyst of some sort.

Any suggestions?
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