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Carolyn Boroden, The Trading Zoo, Larry Levin


Does anyone have any expereince with or know anything about the following trading gurus?

Carolyn Boroden
The Trading Zoo <- Dedicated topic.
Larry Levin (Secrets of Traders)

Wanting a great place to learn and don't want to get taken.

Please feel free to e-mail direct at nepsa@sbcglobal.net

Thanks,

wan

[Edit by day trading: Link to dedicated topic for TradingZoo.com]
Bruce,

I'm not angry at you at all. In retrospect, I have compassion for you and others like you who have spent a lot of hard earned money and still continue to lose at the business of trading. I suppose I'd have a chip on my shoulder too if I get fleeced like you. It's ironic, though, that when the real deal presents itself you don't give yourself the chance to try it. Sounds a bit masochistic to me (ask your therapist and see if he agrees)

Bottom line: I have better things to do than chase the shadow of a clown. Come Monday, I'll be back in our room making money every day while you continue your lifelong search for someone to show you their trading statements.

Best of luck in that effort and any other of your future endeavors.
Thanks for proving your true colors..as I predicted you would...so this is my last reply to you unless you actual have some answers to my questions..instead of attacks on me...You also helped me prove my point how vendors go on the attack..you where like a perfect trade.....a million thanks....you can keep rambling on..I guesss you really are afraid of those emails.... ...I'm glad I have provided this service to my fellow ( real ) traders on this forum. I knew you would disappear I just didn't realize you'd go away with your ....errr...tail between your legs so fast....thanks for the entertainment...sleep well at night...

Bruce

( put another notch in the belt for the good guys)
Bruce wrote: ".....so this is my last reply to you...."

Thank God.

quote:
Originally posted by ahk

day trading,

You wrote "My take on this is that if you have to pay your customers to evangelize your product or service, you probably don’t have a great product or service."

Although I would love to take credit for that quote it was actually Guy Kawasaki and not myself that said that. I was quoting him.

You don't need my permission to post anything here. Feel free to post the emails.

I rarely ever edit or censor anything here. Only if it obviously needs to be edited or removed because of spam, racism, sexism etc...
Email one...this is Aaron Kelly's response to my initial inquiry....lets see how this uploads..if there is a better way to save emails and upload then let me know

Click link to access uploaded file:
emailone.txt
Email one..without the Timestamps..

Bruce,

My modus operandi is to speak to folks who have an interest. I am taking on the responsibility of pre-qualifying people that come to the system through me. Although people get a chance to observe the action for a week at no charge, I don't want to waste the room's bandwidth if I have serious doubts about whether that person will fit. I will answer all of your questions with the straight truth.

Before we speak, please tell me what systems you have either joined or tried that cost real money, like Blue Falcon, Please include your phone number with a good time for me to call if you care to take the next step.

The owner offers a nominal finder's fee to introducers. The driver for me, however, is to help traders succeed. I know of no better way than this system of setups and money management.

Happy Thanksgiving.



pitbulltrader@optonline.net wrote:
Hello ahk

You received the following message from: BruceM (pitbulltrader@optonline.net)

At: http://www.mypivots.com/forum/

Hi AHK,

Probably like yourself I have encountered too many vendors who are just scams. Could you tell me more about your legit vendor? Do you get a rebate ( which is fine) if I sign up through you. Do they have a website? I'm always looking for ways to improve my daytrading perfermance and 5 grand isn't that much if it takes you to a new level in ones trading...thanks...Bruce



then my second email with his response....I will post the email in question as uploaded text file with time stamp but it seems hard to read like that




This is a discretionary trading system that is based on price action and tape reading. All one needs is a naked candlestick chart and a DOM.

I need to know if you have been to any of the following rooms. Perhaps this will jog your memory: KingFish, ZooTrading, Blue Falcon, Tsunami, S&P500Guru, SimpleTrading, Acetrades, emini tradingroom..

In answer to your questions:

1) They do trade it, every day. Trading is a lonely business and to have some other traders to talk to and bond with is good for the psyche. The mentor is a natural teacher and expert trader. Why not make a few extra bucks to teach a proven method and help others? Is that a crime or disingenuous?

2) No one has asked me to go out to do anything. I chose to do this and your forum is the only place I did. I tried to be subtle, and low key and helpful to people like yourself who were lambs taken to the slaughter. I recall saying 3 not 4 points average.

3) Sorry, no trading statements. No member received that level of comfort. Not the first nor the last. You will have an opportunity to see the action in real time for a week (I had more time because I was super skeptical, not because the results were poor, but to see if they were consistent.) My advice would be to simm trade the calls made in the room and you can see your own statement

As I said before, this is not for everyone and that may include you. I get a sense you may have unreasonable expectations and a chip on your shoulder from past experiences that cause a barrier which could impact your success. I've learned firsthand that negativity has no place in trading.

"John E." <pitbulltrader@optonline.net> wrote:
Hi Aaron,
I have a few questions myself. Is this a system or a methodology? I am a discretionary trader by nature so there may not be a match if I would be learning a new trading system. In regards to your questions about vendors and courses...there are just too many that I have either tried or bought into over the years so I'm not going to rattle off my list...some vendors are good and I have learned from...some have just taken my money...I have been involved with other trading rooms before ( actually many) and again some are good and some are set up almost as a Multi-level-marketing business...they keep getting others to bring in more people...I beleive Kingfish was doing this..... I will admit that part of your response has me concerned for the following reasons which I am sure you have heard before....

1) How come they are selling the method? Why not just trade it?
2)How come they need people to go out and get others to join their room and why do you need to be paid a finders fee...after all if you can average 4 points a day there would be no need to deal with the public and the hassle
3) I will assume that now that you have found a method or system that works you can surely provide me with trading statements......that would be cool....

I don't want to waste your rooms time either...If they are the real deal and really trade then we may be a good match...thanks for your time and I look forward to your reply to my questions
then I got this about an hour later...below it is the sequence to date


We had a good morning. Sold 410.50 took 2 points and called it a day.

Happy Thanksgiving and God bless our trading room!

Aaron Kelly wrote:
This is a discretionary trading system that is based on price action and tape reading. All one needs is a naked candlestick chart and a DOM.

I need to know if you have been to any of the following rooms. Perhaps this will jog your memory: KingFish, ZooTrading, Blue Falcon, Tsunami, S&P500Guru, SimpleTrading, Acetrades, emini tradingroom..

In answer to your questions:

1) They do trade it, every day. Trading is a lonely business and to have some other traders to talk to and bond with is good for the psyche. The mentor is a natural teacher and expert trader. Why not make a few extra bucks to teach a proven method and help others? Is that a crime or disingenuous?

2) No one has asked me to go out to do anything. I chose to do this and your forum is the only place I did. I tried to be subtle, and low key and helpful to people like yourself who were lambs taken to the slaughter. I recall saying 3 not 4 points average.

3) Sorry, no trading statements. No member received that level of comfort. Not the first nor the last. You will have an opportunity to see the action in real time for a week (I had more time because I was super skeptical, not because the results were poor, but to see if they were consistent.) My advice would be to simm trade the calls made in the room and you can see your own statement

As I said before, this is not for everyone and that may include you. I get a sense you may have unreasonable expectations and a chip on your shoulder from past experiences that cause a barrier which could impact your success. I've learned firsthand that negativity has no place in trading.

"John E." <pitbulltrader@optonline.net> wrote:
Hi Aaron,
I have a few questions myself. Is this a system or a methodology? I am a discretionary trader by nature so there may not be a match if I would be learning a new trading system. In regards to your questions about vendors and courses...there are just too many that I have either tried or bought into over the years so I'm not going to rattle off my list...some vendors are good and I have learned from...some have just taken my money...I have been involved with other trading rooms before ( actually many) and again some are good and some are set up almost as a Multi-level-marketing business...they keep getting others to bring in more people...I beleive Kingfish was doing this..... I will admit that part of your response has me concerned for the following reasons which I am sure you have heard before....

1) How come they are selling the method? Why not just trade it?
2)How come they need people to go out and get others to join their room and why do you need to be paid a finders fee...after all if you can average 4 points a day there would be no need to deal with the public and the hassle
3) I will assume that now that you have found a method or system that works you can surely provide me with trading statements......that would be cool....

I don't want to waste your rooms time either...If they are the real deal and really trade then we may be a good match...thanks for your time and I look forward to your reply to my questions


Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Kelly
To: pitbulltrader@optonline.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: Sent From Day Trading Forum by BruceM


Bruce,

My modus operandi is to speak to folks who have an interest. I am taking on the responsibility of pre-qualifying people that come to the system through me. Although people get a chance to observe the action for a week at no charge, I don't want to waste the room's bandwidth if I have serious doubts about whether that person will fit. I will answer all of your questions with the straight truth.

Before we speak, please tell me what systems you have either joined or tried that cost real money, like Blue Falcon, Please include your phone number with a good time for me to call if you care to take the next step.

The owner offers a nominal finder's fee to introducers. The driver for me, however, is to help traders succeed. I know of no better way than this system of setups and money management.

Happy Thanksgiving.



pitbulltrader@optonline.net wrote:
Hello ahk

You received the following message from: BruceM (pitbulltrader@optonline.net)

At: http://www.mypivots.com/forum/

Hi AHK,

Probably like yourself I have encountered too many vendors who are just scams. Could you tell me more about your legit vendor? Do you get a rebate ( which is fine) if I sign up through you. Do they have a website? I'm always looking for ways to improve my daytrading perfermance and 5 grand isn't that much if it takes you to a new level in ones trading...thanks...Bruce







His missing email that I sent is next.....




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this is the one he says he didn't receieve from me....I have copied the text here....for those who wish to look at the time stamp and even care I have uploaded the email as a txt file..this is fairly ridiculous but if it saves just one person from wasting 5 grand then it will be worth it



"No Chips.no unreasonable expectations....just skepticism so I may not be right for you folks...I would also need more than a week to evaluate......

been to these...and why do u need to know...just curious...
KingFish, Blue Falcon, S&P500Guru, , Acetrades, ..Pagetrader and others

Why no statements? Not one memeber including yourself can provide profitable statements..?It seems like a simple and reasonable request..Why can't you give me the name of the room or the website? I learned a long time ago that if you confront a vendor they tend to throw it back in your face as a defense..go on the "attack" a bit.....The next step is you will tell me " I am not a good fit for your room"........Think about it....reread your reply to me....( below) No "happy Thanksgiving " there...not even your name at the end......so a sense of anger is in your reply.....and that is not meant to be rude...just an honest observation...If I am going to learn from anyone whether it be via a DOM with Candles or anything, I expect the best...and to be respected as I would any memeber of a room I became affiliated with....Congrats on the two points..good trade...I hope you and your family have a happy and safe ThanksGiving

Bruce"




Click link to access uploaded file:
missingemail.txt
AND FOR THOSE WHO REALLY CARE HERE IS THE WHOLE THING IN WORD...let the good guys win...lol

Click link to access uploaded file:
SCAMBUSTER.doc
quote:
Originally posted by BruceM

well that will be cool AHK! I suggest that everyone should wait at least 6 months before taking the trial so they can see all those statements....and of course make sure any and all statements you receive from any vendor are reviewed by a neutral 3rd party and don't just take the brokers word....in this case I ASSume it would be Mirus futures as they are the ones that the tradingzoo.com room suggests to trial members...so don't rely on them only ....you will need at least one impartial review to make it legit if you are thinking of using this vendor or any other...ok nuff said on this...thanks for getting to those questions


Bruce



No problem Bruce. I would hope that anybody who receives statements directly from a broker would accept those as actual copies. I can't imagine a reputable broker engaging in a willful fraud when there is nothing to gain and everything to lose. At any rate, I'm not sure yet if the confidentiality agreement will allow for the sharing of the information with third parties who don't have a need to know.