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I've started this topic because I am under the impression that ahk works with The Trading Zoo and he is active on this forum and may be able to provide information and comments about this service.

I believe that it will be constructive to have a topic/thread dedicated to The Trading Zoo so that the merits of this service can be discussed in isolation to the other topics which have collectively dealt with several trading services in the same topic including The Trading Zoo.
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Originally posted by max

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Originally posted by ahk

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Originally posted by max

official calls made and taken by the guru. 4 lot es contracts per position.

3/08/07
trade #1
s (4) 1419.75
b (2) 1418.75
b (1) 1417.75
b (1) 1416.75

trade #2
s (4) 1417.50
b (2) 1416.50
b (1) 1415.50
b (1) 1414.50




I know this sounds self-serving, but there needs a post script to this illustration. The Zoo guru trades 32, not 4 contracts, for his position trades and 10 for scalps. Both official trades taken today were position trades so the performance if you will is understated. It would get further distorted if a position trade was scaled out at 5-10 points (which was not the case today). So in one respect there is no damage AND one is not looking at the net number of points gained but simply the amount per contract.

Perhaps Max can clarify why he calulated 4 for the Zoo.


ahk youre right and im wrong. I used 4 contracts because that is the most used by blue in his platinum setup and i thought it made sense to do an apples to apples comparison. but it can hurt the zoo performance so im going to adjust yesterdays numbers to allow for the possible long run scale out to 10 points by using 8 contacts instead of 4. as you said most people in the room are trading larger positions. zoo money management tells you to sell 1/2 position at 1 point profit, sell 1/8 position at 2 point profit and move stop to entry, sell 1/8 position at 3 point profit, sell 1/8 position at 5 point profit and sell last 1/8 at 10 point profit assuming you dont get stopped along the way.

so the revised numbers for 1/08/07 are
trade #1
s (8) 1419.75
b (4) 1418.75
b (1) 1417.75
b (1) 1416.75
b (2) 1419.75

trade #2
s (8) 1417.50
b (4) 1416.50
b (1) 1415.50
b (1) 1414.50
b (2) 1417.50

let me know if i got it right this time.





Here is a summary for the official trades called today by the Trading Zoo based on the revised numbers....

total trades = 2

total number of contracts per trade = 8

total contracts = 2 trades * 8 contracts/trade = 16 contracts

number of wins on 1st target = 2
number of wins on 2nd target = 2
number of wins on 3rd target = 2
number of wins on 4th target = 0
number of losing trades = 0

% wins on 1st target = 100 %
% wins on 2nd target = 100 %
% wins on 3rd target = 100 %
% wins on 4th target = 0 %
% stop-loss = 0 %

Total points(or ticks) Gained 1st target: 2 trades * 4 ticks * 4 contracts = 32 ticks
Total points(ticks) Gained 2nd target: 2 trades * 8 ticks = 16 ticks
Total points(ticks) Gained 3rd target: 2 trades * 12 ticks = 24 ticks
Total points(ticks) Gained 4th target: 2 trades * 0 ticks * 2 contracts = 0 ticks


Total points(ticks) Profit = total 1st target + total 2nd target + total 3rd target + total 4th target
= 32 ticks + 16 ticks + 24 ticks + 0 ticks
= 72 ticks

Total points(ticks) Lost: 0 ticks

Gross win/loss ratio = Total Profit / Total Loss = 72 ticks / 0 ticks = undefined

Avg. profit per contract = total gross profit / total number of contracts
= 72 ticks / 16 contracts
= 4.5 ticks per contract
official calls made and taken by the guru. 8 lot* es contracts per position.

1/09/07
trade #1
s (8) 1420.50
b (8) 1420.50

trade #2
s (8) 1421.50
b (8) 1421.50

trade #3
s (8) 1424.25
b (4) 1423.25
b (1) 1422.25
b (2) 1424.25

trade #4
b (10) 1424.50
s (10) 1423.75

trade #5
b (10) 1422.25
s (10) 1423.00

trade #6
b (8) 1420.75
s (8) 1419.75

trade #7
b (8) 1419.75
s (8) 1418.75

trade #8
b (16) 1415.00
s (16) 1417.00

note: * trades #4&5 are scalps, 10 es contracts per position. trade #8 called for a doubling of es contracts referred to as "recover" by the guru.
correction

trade #3
s (8) 1424.25
b (4) 1423.25
b (1) 1422.25
b (3) 1424.25

sorry about that.

max
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Originally posted by max

official calls made and taken by the guru. 8 lot* es contracts per position.

1/09/07
trade #1
s (8) 1420.50
b (8) 1420.50

trade #2
s (8) 1421.50
b (8) 1421.50

trade #3
s (8) 1424.25
b (4) 1423.25
b (1) 1422.25
b (2) 1424.25

trade #4
b (10) 1424.50
s (10) 1423.75

trade #5
b (10) 1422.25
s (10) 1423.00

trade #6
b (8) 1420.75
s (8) 1419.75

trade #7
b (8) 1419.75
s (8) 1418.75

trade #8
b (16) 1415.00
s (16) 1417.00

note: * trades #4&5 are scalps, 10 es contracts per position. trade #8 called for a doubling of es contracts referred to as "recover" by the guru.

correction

trade #3
s (8) 1424.25
b (4) 1423.25
b (1) 1422.25
b (3) 1424.25





Daily Summary for official trades called by the Trading Zoo service:

total trades = 8

total number of contracts per trade = variable (8, 10, 16)

total number of contracts = 76 ES contracts

number of wins on 1st target = 2
number of wins on 2nd target = 2
number of wins on 3rd target = 0
number of losing trades = 3
number of break-even trades = 2

% wins on 1st target = 25 %
% wins on 2nd target = 25 %
% wins on 3rd target = 0 %
% stop-loss = 38 %
% break-even = 25 %

Total ticks Profit 1st target = 3rd trade + 5th trade
= (4 lots * 4 ticks/lot) + (10 lots * 3 ticks/lot)
= 46 ticks
Total ticks Profit 2nd target = 3rd trade + 8th trade
= 8 ticks + (16 lots * 8 ticks/lot)
= 136 ticks
Total ticks Profit 3rd target = 0
Total Profit = 46 + 136 ticks = 182 ES ticks

Total ticks Lost = trades (4, 6, 7)
= (10 lots * 3 ticks/lot) + (8 lots * 4 ticks/lot) + (8 lots * 4 ticks/lot)
= 30 + 32 + 32 ticks = 94 ES ticks

Gross win/loss ratio = Total Profit / Total Loss = 182 ticks / 94 ticks = 1.94

Avg. profit per contract = total gross profit / total number of contracts
= 182 ticks / 76 contracts = 2.3 ES ticks per contract

Avg. loss per contract = total gross loss / total number of contracts
= 94 ticks / 76 contracts = 1.2 ES ticks per contract

Gross profit or loss = 182 - 94 ticks = + 88 ES ticks

Notes:
trade 5 is counted as a win at the 1st target only
trade 8 is counted as a win at the 2nd target only
Thanks both max and pt_emini for these summaries
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Originally posted by youknowwho

Thanks both max and pt_emini for these summaries



Well done and accurate Max. The Zoo could use a good man like you
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Originally posted by ahk

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Originally posted by day trading

By the way, who is the guru (I assume also owner) of the Trading Zoo? Has his/her name already been mentioned and I missed it?

Check with BruceM.

Anybody have an answer for me?
Hi Day,,this was posted by WAN on another thread
"First, AHK is trading with the Trading Zoo. He may deny it but that is what it is. The gentleman who runs it is Sam Braun (AKA Master Predator). They use a very objective method to trading by way of contra trading. A disgruntled trader sent me the system and I evaluated it. It can be done but with a large set of balls. What I found was during hard trending days you got rolled pretty hard. This system will not work on any market except the ES (mini). And "no" I will not send anyone a copy of it. I respect the wishes of the dicruntled trader."

Bruce


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Originally posted by day trading

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Originally posted by ahk

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Originally posted by day trading

By the way, who is the guru (I assume also owner) of the Trading Zoo? Has his/her name already been mentioned and I missed it?

Check with BruceM.

Anybody have an answer for me?

Thanks Bruce. I had seen that but couldn't remember where. Does Sam Braun have a bio? Many people running these trading rooms have a bio on their web site giving their experience as traders etc. but I do not see one on the Zoo's web site.
I'm not sure Guy. I've never looked. Perhaps AHK can help us with this one. Blue Falcon only provides a brief description but no name for him on the site either..I would assume you are given specific names and contact real people before you send over your money for the methods for either room. I think Max is doing a great jobso far. Keep up the good work. So far it looks as if the Zoo is outperforming
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Originally posted by day trading

Thanks Bruce. I had seen that but couldn't remember where. Does Sam Braun have a bio? Many people running these trading rooms have a bio on their web site giving their experience as traders etc. but I do not see one on the Zoo's web site.

For what it's worth, I was an original Trading Zoo student. Sam Baum's system was dangerous, all counter-trend with short profit targets with larger invisible stops.

A few of us students started out own Skype room to ignore the teacher's setups but rather take in his priceless information regarding the e-mini, which alone was worth the $6,000 as I gained a true understanding of how to read and trade ANY liquid market. I think one of the traders using our new modified trend setups with trailing stops actually sent someone his trading statements to someone on another forum years ago which shut the naysayer up quick.

Anyways, Trading Zoo is back but run by some of the traders who have been successful for over the past 6 years using our modified system.
I want to personally promote this because of all the original TradingZoo did for me.