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Traders International = SCAM ARTISTS

Traders International (TI) is a SCAM and RIP OFF!!!!!!

Yes, I might as well where a dunce hat and sit on a donkey. These guys are the biggest scam artists on earth. I have been trading with them since April 09 and have yet to make any damn money from their bullsh*t indicators. I have done nothing but lose money with these idiots since i started. It's a f*cking crab shoot. Lets just say that I can flip a coin and make better guesses.

Here is how they count their points gained:
1. When I started, they used to show the ninja trader dom while the moderator trader and made calls. We could see the entry and exits. Now they have taken the dom off the screen completely. Their excuse at first was that it kept crashing, but now it's because they don't want to show it. Instead they just want to show us their sh*tty charts.

2. They use the ninja trader dome (which I really like by the way) and the damn thing is in sim and the jerk offs try to convince you that its live. If it were live the account number would be showing. How stupid do you think we are? Well, I guess pretty stupid for signing up with them.

3. When they showed the dome while we were trading, the moderator would always try and get away with a losing trade by saying that you should have taken your profits when I told you at 1-4 ticks, which is horse sh*t since he said to go for 2 points profit and loss. Let me give an example of how they trade:
1. You have to remember that they are supposed to give you clear
entry and exit points (which they don't) and lately the
moderator supposedly makes a call and oh guess what,
"the mic was off again, you guys didn't hear me make that 3
point trade?" This has happened 4 times in the last month
since they took the trading dome off the screen. Also, the
rooms are in privatized mode so that you can't see what other
people are saying or complaining about. Only the Signal
room, previously called the Pro room, allows you to see what
others are saying; and it's funny that the same people
(about 10) consistently post profits. The rest of the time the
moderator is yelling at people and telling them that it's
their fault that they got out too early or too late. - It goes
something like this: "We are only going for nibbles here
traders (1-2 points)." And when you are in the trade: "I
suggest you take profits here at 1-2 ticks because this is not
going anywhere" or "you should get out now at about 1 point
loss, oh wait, hang on let me look at the price action
again." some people end up getting out at 1 point loss (only
to have the market turn around and actually go in their favor)
and the others get out at 2 point loss. God forbid if it goes
in his favor and you say something, because he will rip you a
new hole. He basically says "It's your fault, you should have
stayed in the trade longer" EVEN AFTER HE SAID TO GET OUT.
2. he starts with 2-3 contracts.
3. he takes 1 out at 1 point and usually the other 2 at
2 points, but sometimes he uses the 3rd contract to ride the
wave just in case it keeps going (90% of the time it
4. Now that the trading dome is gone, we can't even see when he
is getting in and out. He makes a call and everyone gets in
at that price and he will tell you, oh I got in at a tick
or two better for some reasons. You know what I get it,
slippage happens, but who the hell are you kidding. This crap
is happening more and more now that the trading dome is not
5. Here is the real kicker in the butt. After telling people to
get out at 2 points, he leaves the remaining contract on the
table just in case it does go up, and guess what they post on
the site for the world to see? A 2.5 POINT PROFIT. Lets break
it down here: One 1 point profit + One 2 point profit + One 2
point loss = 1 point profit (you still have to take out $4.8
per contract for broker fees). Where the hell did they get 2.5
points from. I'll tell you, its from him letting that last
contract run longer, but what the hell? Didn't he just tell us
to get out? A lot of times the numbers on their site don't
even add up to what the actual profits where. They are wrong
%65 of the time on the calls. Thats worse than me flipping a
coin and making a call.
6. Don't even bother trading with them when it gets close to
options expiration. Good lord - ALL the calls are wrong. It
turns into a BUY HIGH and SELL LOW type of trading.

I'm going to start recording them on my computer (I wish I had done this sooner, before they took the trading dome off) so that I can hopefully get my credit card company to reverse the charges. As of yet, my credit card company will not refund me and they will not stop further charges.

Take my word on this, DO NOT SIGN UP WITH THIS COMPANY. TRADERS INTERNATIONAL IS A SCAM AND RIP OFF. Oh, I forgot to mention this, their "PROPRIETARY TRAINING" or what ever the hell they called it is crap. There is a lot more and better free info on than these idiots provide. What they provide is not even training. A kid can put better information together.

And by the way, don't bother questioning them on why they made a call. Whether it was a good call or a bad call, it doesn't matter, the moderator will only yell at you and tell you he will not explain it to you. WTF?

I'm leaving out a lot, but I'm tired of typing all the crap that is wrong with TI.



I stopped trading with them in May of 2009 and have made my own trading signals that work 75% of the time. If you want to learn about trading, go to the video feed is free, but if you want to see them daytrading, just sign up for the 2 week free trial. I have been with them a month before I started with TI and made lots of money. Then came TI and I have now blown my account way under the $25k daytrading limit. Thats why I made my own signals so I can work my way back up so I can start trading stocks again.

Screw playing with the FUTURES as an only source of income. It is harder and more dangerous to play than stocks.

I have warned you....please don't make my mistake. I don't know where else to post this thing to get the word out, but I will be posting it to as many places as I can.

true these guys are big time scam artist!
they say one thing and do another be carefull hope i can save someone from this train wreck called TRADERS INTERNATIONAL SCAMMERS
you are 100 percent correct there are better trading programs then TRADERS INTERNATION! boy im pissed the hosed me! and took me for a ride! all the stuff they teach you can get in the internet for FREE
and a better technique! definately!!!
if your thinking about traders internation dont do it there live presentation is not true they are in simulation!
i was a member and if i can save someone thousands of dollars read this!
there is no money back garantee. they say they will do 10 contracts daily! when you join the want you to use only 1 contract for 6 months and pay them $300.00 a month ontop of $3000.00 you alreadt dissed out!
there system does not work! its a BIG SCAM!
the monitors are never there screens are always blank! the worst thing i ever did shame on me! but atleast let me help someone outthere!
dont do it i will tell you the truth just contact me!
the monotor say onething and the S&P skyrockets the other way then they say oh well we missed it this market is not good boo hoo!
they know nothing about trading! they are only there because they are getting paid if not they would quit! its a job to them!
the owner expresses how his system works but hes lying it does not, and the only want you to learn there system so that you can only pay them! what a SHAM! DONT DO IT PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
when you here this name run for the hills!
these people are LIARS, they say one thing and do another with your money in there bank! then you feel so bad you want to continue because they have your money! dont do it they will squeeze the juice out of you and they will only make 1 trade a week with one contract!
they will say well the market is not right its of yet it just move 40 ticks in a very profitable trend there a joke!!!!!!
its all down hill from the moment you join!
dont doit there probably the biggest scam artist out there, dont do it it will be a loose loose situatuation!!!!!
dont join the parasite club TRADerS INTERNATIONAL
dont do it please respond if you thinking traders international, let me help you on your worst decission! DONT DO IT!
DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!
i was just in their webnar
you have to be brain dead not to know its a scam
it was incredibly obvious.
first erica comes on and shows you 5 minutes of her charts
she says they are making with 2 moving avg and candle patterns
1400 pips a month
the joke was when she had all the room members come on and say how much they had made.
in 2 sec 50 people came on saying they had made from 200 to 1000 pips a week,some were saying they had made 500 to 800 pips a day.
so i asked them were is the video of the trade calls or a demo or live account statement.

look what they sent me,a doctored statement with their name as the owner of the account
the statement has no trades or currencys or time of entry.
it shows a fake account that has went from 1000 to 20000 in a month
it obviously was doctored and faked.

i uploaded it so you all can see.

if anyone wants to get together and try to put them out of business or get some heat on them at least
post here and maybe we can do something.

this is tragic how they can rip the poor newbies off
they should be put out of business quickly with these lies and scam webnars.

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FX Account Statement.pdf

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FX Account Statement.pdf

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FX Account Statement.pdf
I totally disagree......Sorry you are absolutely wrong. You definately haven't actually been in her room....

Traders International Forex is absolutely brilliant...Erica Villalon is the real deal..I have doubled my account in the last 3 months with her calls and mentorship...check her out on Facebook and ask some of her fans what they think about her trading room...She uses a very strong risk to reward ratio of +3:1....takes alot of the pressure of signal success...I made +450 pips on Tuesday of last week (send me your email and Ill send you my trading statement.)

If you want a trading room specializing in the Asian and London sessions this is really good. I jhave tried two other companies which were either very ambiguous regarding entries and exits on their calls or were doing very tight breakout scalping strategies that required you to sit in front of your screens for a massive amount of time.

Erica trades the open of the Asian and the open of London 4 days a week. She clearly calls and even SMS's her trades to all clients. It is black and white never a grey area. We even only use pending orders never market so everyone has the chance at the same fill price......[/font=Arial]

TI has turned a corner and the FX room is awesome.

Hi Barking Cat :)
I see so much negative in this thread and it scares me. Does TI's Forex part really a blight spot? Could you post some more details on how much time it took you to get up to speed to be able start doign live trade.

Do you glue on the computer at night (in USA time) to do this or use their paging message?

Thank you for your help.

Tony, if 98% of comments are negative, do you really want to take a chance that one of the 2% positive is true?! One of the earlier posts re: their guaranteed didn't connect the dots also that if they don't let you trade live for 6 months, or even encourage you not to, then how could you enforce a 60 day refund where you weren't positive?

I'm CERTAIN that even if this lady is any good, there's nothing they're offering that can't be had for free. Their main room reportedly uses MACD/Stoch divergences. NOTHING new or special about that; just google and you'll find a myriad of articles on it. Then do your own homework (if you want to use them) re: filtering out the bad trades. Such as only trading with the trend, confirming with price action, incl. volume, which timeframe, etc.
Divergences on their own are not the holy grail, or everyone would be using them.
Worst of all, although the Dale Kasdan facebook page that someone linked to was taken down, the fact that his nym was MotownDale says that he's from Detroit, which means he's likely related to one of my fave writers/directos, Lawrence Kasdan. A shame on the Kasdan name... :)
I hope everyone is doing good and staying away from companies like Traders International. I have not traded for over 2 years now because a few weeks after I posted that comment in 2012, my dad was diagnosed with brain cancer and after a long struggle, he ended up passing away. Just wanted to update this post and show that what I posted was not fake. I have attached a pdf of my month end statement in Jan. 2012 to show anyone who doesn't understand what a real trade statement looks like or for any of you who didn't believe me when I said I was making way over 20k per month without the help of crooks like Traders International! I have also included a daily statement in pdf format as well and NO I'm not going to leave my name or account number on there. I always take out anything above $110k-$120k from my account. Taking money out above a certain limit you set for yourself is a must; hard to explain why, but it helps psychologically. Go and compare the statements that Traders International(TI) shows to fool people who are newbies into believing their lies. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried copying this or something similar to make their simulation trades look like real trades. This will be my last post here. Good luck, stop being sheep, and stop being lazy. Do the leg work required to teach yourself because the information is on the internet for free. You just have to find it and stop relying on other people to do the hard work for you.
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