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Proprietary Trading:Money Grabbing or Helping Traders??


Anyone had a taste of the Prop programs out there? such as Pristine
http://www.pristine.com/Online-Trading-Education/Trading-Courses/Proprietary-Trading-Seminar/1250/1
Oliver Velez's http://ifundtraders.com/
Trading advantage http://tradingadvantage.com/how-to-trade/index.php/tap
plus the myriad of others

1.Have you undertaken the program-how long ago??
2.Are you making money?
3.Are the promises(pay outs) adhered to or is there shifting of goal posts??
4.any other recommendations

Thanks