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Phantom of the Pits - 7. Trading with Rules One and Two

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ALS - Phantom, your required rules seem pretty simple. Let's use some practical applications in real time trading. tweet

POP - In trading, rules are not meant to be broken for your own sake. The rules bring you to a no judgement type approach. You design your trade program and approach to trading by keeping the major choice of positions within your program while keeping the confirmation to the market. Your only job is to follow your trade program while obeying rules one and two. The rules take away the need to decide while the market is open of what to do during the trade day. tweet

You will have a good idea what you expect of yourself at all times rather than guessing what is actually going to take place with your positions. You will either be proven correct with your positions or you simply get out of the positions. You don't stick around to get hurt with exposure if the market is not proving you correct. tweet

Yes, you will have exceptions when the rules don't corporate with you and what the markets are doing. This will be a minimum problem, as the rules will keep you in the trading game for long term trading. tweet

You must research your trade program well enough to be able to not enter at bad entry levels. Even if you make a simple mistake such as chasing markets, rule one will still keep you from excessive drawdown during your trading career. tweet

ALS - I notice a few questions coming up about excessive commissions when using rule one! tweet

Now you can't tell me that it is better to stay in and wait for it to come back then it is to get out and re-evaluate the situation. In the end I would have been right but my mental standing after a simple rule one trade is a lot better and allows me to have sanity about my next move. tweet

Most traders think it is bad for them to be wrong and when they are, that's it for the day. Well, being wrong is the best chance to put a correct position on with your next trade as you certainly can trade again. tweet

If you keep a trade, which never proves to be correct within your program of time element, you will never be able to correct a bad situation but only be able to remove that bad situation. Your mental well being is worth a lot in trading. You can trade well when you are thinking good. tweet

What I am going to say next is something usually learned not by observation but by making the assumption itself. Most of your money from trading is going to come from trades, which take off rather quickly from when you put them on. That is the reason rule two is so important. Just look at most starting trends and good runs you have once a market turns. The chop-chop markets aren't going to give you good income. tweet

While it is true that being in control of your position in the market rather than the market being in control of what you are going to think about your position next simplifies your trading life, it also greatly enhances your ability to make good trades. The main reason is that you know what to expect and have those expectations up front from the entry of your trades. tweet

If you supervise a house building and you have several trades working on the house, you certainly make sure the plumbing which goes in the foundation is being put in correctly before you walk away and let the foundation be completed. Building a position is the same in trading as most occupations. If the plumbing and foundation on the house are completed correctly, you move to the next step. tweet

Still at any time the prior work finished could create a problem. Let's say the foundation settles and cracks the sewer pipe. Would you continue on the house? Of course you wouldn't. Well no way will you continue with a trade, which proved correct but now shows problems. tweet

You can never let your guard down in trading. You must always know what the next step is for you in any situation. You rehearse your criteria of a trade and it becomes second nature. Just like driving a car becomes sub conscience to you when you are proficient at it. tweet

You start out by not knowing what the trade will ever do when you put it on. You can never control what the market will do or how the orders will enter the pits. You can not tell me when a large fund is going to take a profit or enter a new position. Nor can anyone else tell you for certain. All you can do is build your criteria or trade plan to take every angle which is important into account. tweet

I can give you a plan, which will catch every move, but you will catch moves, which are the wrong way too. Along with that plan to never miss a move I can give you the big drawdown and the rules which will eat you alive if you can't afford the drawdown. In the end you will have what you think is a very small profit for all your time and patience of going along with the plan. tweet

But yes, you will have a profit. That is not what the usual trader is about. He is not in this game to earn a few extra bucks for his vacation. He is always after a better return then most would consider fair in any other investment. That reason is another creator of rule one. tweet

You are expecting a big reward and fail to see the big risk, which faces you at first. Somewhere along the way you must face the situation for what it is. tweet

Trading is a loser's game. You must learn how to lose. The biggest loser who loses small will continue in the game. Obviously the small trader who loses big will quickly go to the sidelines. Sometimes the sidelines are not even there for a few. tweet

Their losses take away their hearts. Believe me for I have seen them. It is the saddest thing in the world to take away someone's dream. More so when they never knew the enemy in the first place. A trader must know and accept what the market can do along the damage side to equity, to mental peace and to self-esteem. Every day is a big surprise in trading. tweet

You must plan for the surprise from the time you put your position in place. The big surprise can sometimes be a friend but you must be prepared for it. tweet

Why do I say the market is going to give you a surprise? Can you tell me exactly how far a market will move and then re-trace before continuing or if it will continue? tweet

What you can do is to eliminate your reactions to what the market does to you. You do this by not giving the market the power to control your position or emotions with adverse market moves. You start out expecting the adverse market moves and plan your action based on those outcomes. tweet

When you place a trade, don't ever think this is the only trade to make. There are thousands of trades you can make. You aren't going to miss a move for long if you trade correctly. You aren't going to chase markets if you trade correctly. You must have a plan to enter positions based on each market's criteria. Rule one is the rule, which keeps you in control at all times when that position is in place. tweet

I don't like this method but it is better than a lot of others. Just because you put on a trade, which lost money, is no reason to feel bad. If you put a position on and lost big money that is when you can feel very bad. With rule one you are freeing yourself from having to feel bad. tweet

You put the trade on based on the trade plan. The market either confirms and you now have a good position or it doesn't confirm and you are not ok with the position and you get out. Simple! Only a big deal if you don't get out when it isn't confirmed a good position. No need to ever feel bad. Most of your trades, which don't confirm within a logical time frame, are usually going to look bad sooner or later. Why not take the sooner? tweet

ALS - It's beginning to look like it takes more thought to put a trade on then the time you're going to be in it if you're wrong or I mean not proven to be in a correct position! tweet

POP - The logical step is to have the plan in place for the next step before you put on the trade. I would guess that 95 per-cent of the traders put the trade on and then wait for the market to prove they have a bad position. Even if the position is correct, their next step is wondering when to get out. . It's human nature to do it their way. It causes a lot of unsuspecting reactions in their lives. tweet

POP - I'll tell you what I would prefer to do. It would be better to just suggest some of the experiments and let the readers come to their own conclusions. Let's keep that in the behavior modification tips. tweet

ALS - There were some questions on when to get out of a position. I realize this is out of order here but I know we need to include rule two. tweet

POP - That's ok as it is a common question as to when do you know when to get out of a position. Actually rule two addresses this very well because it says to press your winners correctly without exception. Rather than getting out of a position with the proper criteria you will be increasing your position. You only do the adding with correctly proven positions. tweet

The time to get out of a position is not when the market is proving your position to be a correct one. You have the opportunity to be wrong as often as correct but when you are already proven correct, this is certainly the time to step off of first base. tweet

We have two rules to keep us protected from our lack of certainty and enforcement of certainty. Many trading plans have the trader in a position at all times. The thinking being that the market is either going to go up or go down. Well this is just absolutely an idiot's plan. Maybe I shouldn't say it so strong as I should have an open mind still. tweet

I have to put this in the category of thinking a statement, which says to not do something, actually says to do the opposite of that statement. Too many times I have watched a fund bid the market so they can sell the market. It's a plan to take advantage of the surprise element in the markets. There was the day when you would only see me on both sides only when I was wrong. I am wrong a lot more lately. That's not bad either! tweet

The readers are surely asking by now how do we use these two rules? It's easier to use real time quotes and markets to prove the points but since we only have hindsight here, we will do it differently. Let's use the old common day trading technique, which I am not going to give you judgment on at this time. tweet

You say your plan wants you long if you take out the opening range! Ok let us say we are trading onions and the price is 1000($10). The price goes to 1001 and the opening range was 999-1000. Your plan says buy so you buy. You get filled at 1002! Why 1002? Well execution is getting the position filled! You gave up a slip of 1 tick. Not bad, most of the time it is small. tweet

We can go into the importance of execution now or continue the trade. Let us continue the nature of the trade and cover the importance of execution later. Now that you are long at 1002 you are using rule one. You assume this is a bad trade until the market proves to you that the trade is good. If the market does not prove this a good trade you are going to exit the trade. Fine so far! tweet

What criteria in your day trading plan says you are right. Most say what determines you are wrong. Not us! We only want to know the criteria for being right. Ok for us our program says "if in the first half hour, the market opens lower than yesterday and moves higher, expect a move above the prior day's high within the first half day of trading." tweet

Our program also says the position is only correct if the market stays in the prior days top half in the first half hour. Our last criteria for the trade is that it must show a 3 point profit by the close. Now I ask you what is your next step? tweet

Your criteria for remaining in this position is only when the requirements of your data indicate to you the position is correct. The other data you would need in the program is yesterday's range, yesterdays high and yesterdays close. Your day trading program says to use the old rule of opening range break out. Yesterday's data is critical in knowing when you are correct. tweet

For our example we will use yesterday's high as 997 and yesterday's range as 991-997. It gets interesting here because you are going to decide whether you will exit the position. At the end of 30 minutes the market is at 997. What would you do? tweet

The first criterion of our trade program is in conflict with your day trading strategy but you still bought the opening range break out. We don't care if the two are in conflict! We only care what causes our position to be correct. Ok so far. tweet

The market has been open a half hour and our price is 997. As you can see you must know your trade plan before the market opens and what you are required to do. What makes your position correct? You must be in yesterday's top half range after the first half hour of trading. tweet

Are you indeed in the top half range from yesterday? tweet

I am going to give you the answer indirectly so you can't slip down to find it. We will go to the next step here. At the end of the first half day of trading the price is 996. Are you still in the position? You did take out the prior day's high but you didn't open lower. Ok we still did it! Stayed in first half hour. That's right. tweet

Now first half day price is down to 996 and we bought at 1002. Still in the top half of yesterday's range. Ok, we are still in the position. Bad entry though as our plans conflicted. Should have only taken the position if it opened lower. It didn't. Well ok because we are day traders we used the opening range break out. Our entry wasn't the best but so what! tweet

At the end of the day the market is at 992. Are we still in the position? You have the right answer but Why? The market had to be at 1005 in order to keep the position. It had to show a 3 point profit on the close. tweet

How would you get out of this position? You would have used a stop close only order after the first half day to sell the position 1004 stop close only. tweet

The example gives you several interesting situations and perhaps just as many questions about rule one. Rule one will not protect you from wrong entries! That is your job. You must solve your own conflicts in your trading. Rule one did take you out of the trade on the close because you were not proven correct based on the required criteria. tweet

Keep in mind this example is a very different situation than you would expect of your trading program. You can't have a program which says if the market doesn't go to 980 that it looks for the market to go to 1100 sometime. There has to be a time frame on when they expect 1100. When a market doesn't go up anymore, somewhere it isn't correct to stay in the position regardless of the expectations. tweet

The market must prove and continue to prove. It can be simple or complex strategies in your program but when the position is not doing according to the expectations it is wrong. Not when it proves your stop price got hit. tweet

Stops, yes we did use a stop to get out. We did not use the stop as the criteria for getting out. The stop did not prove us wrong but the criteria proved us wrong. tweet

I realize that in the example we put conflict, various criteria which was required for the position to be correct and a bad entry example. Does this point out more than just rule one to you? Rule one will get you out of a position which is not proven correct but it won't fix a bad entry. Know your plan before the market opens! If you had known your plan in this example prior to opening, you would have never positioned. tweet

POP - I can give you other examples but it all comes down to the criteria for proving a position correct. If you trade by looking in the newspaper each night your trading plan will be different and your positions must be smaller as you are going to need wider ranges to work with on criteria. tweet

In the above example you could never have placed the order to buy the opening range break out and therefore it would never have been in your plans. You may have had criteria which said to buy yesterdays low plus one tick or two ticks and a time of day order which said TOD10:00a.m. sell 993 stop. tweet

The market would have to be in the bottom half after first half hour to get out as criteria indicated to be correct the market had to be in top half range after first half hour. The other criteria could be met with either OCO (one cancels other) orders or stop limit close only orders. Not all brokers take all orders so your plan must include this possibility of difficulty in trading. tweet

Each tool you lose or don't have in trading, you must reduce your position accordingly to have an effective long range program. The farther away you are from all the tools you need, the wider road you must have. Reduce the size of your car (position) for the road that isn't wider. tweet

Now that we have your attention I think it is clear to see how just two simple rules can be exploited. You can't help but understand why trading can be so difficult. You want to be a knowledgeable trader and you need to take all of the difficulty out of your daily trading when the market is closed. tweet

ALS - I would like to ask you a question, which I have wondered over the past couple of decades. Do you fell when you take a position you have taken a good position? tweet

POP - Never! Do you understand my NO? If at any time a trader thinks they have what is a very good trade, they are going to get removed from trading very quickly. I make the best trade on my trade probabilities program but who is to say my guess is better than someone else's is? Never do I know it is a good trade until it proves to be. tweet

Understanding that to feel you are making a good trade is signing your death warrant in trading. The majority of traders do certainly feel that they have a good handle and they are only putting on good trades. tweet

There is an old saying that the market is never wrong. I don't mean to protest directly but I think that is not always the case. But it is what we must trade by in price. Markets go to extremes and that is certainly in challenge in always being right. Once we know markets go to extremes, we can put that on our side and exploit the advantage. tweet

Very few traders exploit that advantage. You must with rule two press your winners. Often times you won't understand the importance of pressing the winners but it makes no difference as to reason when you collect your profits. Who really cares if the market is or isn't always correct. The market price is what we are measuring our equity with and always will. tweet

In trading nothing goes right for most traders unless they take total control of positioning and letting the market only prove when a position is correct. I know I am repeating myself but there is not better way to impress this information upon the readers of this insight. tweet

I don't want to see any small traders wiped off the map when it comes to trading but that is what happens to most of them. They are small and are stopped by the big traders and funds most of the time. If they can understand the urgency of not letting the big trades ruin their plans and hopes, they will do much better. tweet

The first step is what we are pointing out. I know because I have driven the big cars on the small tracks. It is better to drive the small car on the big track but it just never comes out the same. With a little understanding we shall change that for them. tweet

ALS - I remember an experiment which proved very successful with a group of traders or would be traders. Do you foresee that situation again. tweet

POP - I have no idea of what you are talking about! I wish them well. No, I think an individual is the best minority of one I have ever hoped to reward. Only one at a time in trading is fine with me. It is their dream and my reality. They have to make it happen. If it doesn't, don't blame the messenger. Look in the mirror. tweet

ALS - You and I are traders not writers, doesn't it seem strange to you to bring foreword your thoughts on trading for others to read? tweet

POP - You may end up a better writer than you think. It's perfect as the best time to learn about trading is when the market is closed. Most traders only learn when the market is open and what a mistake that can be. It can be costly and emotional. Both are wrong sides of the coin. tweet

ALS - We need some examples of other questions which the traders and readers will have on rule two. When do we press a winner and when do we get out of our winners. tweet

POP - I know they would like for me to say this is the plan and it is very simple. I can't say that as it takes work, experience and execution at all times. Most traders, I don't mean to group them so severely and handicap them, but true as it is they look to remove their positions just as soon as they prove them right. They forget what their true purpose in trading really is. It is to not only make as much money as possible but it most important is to make it in the least amount of time. tweet

This keeps them from facing the problem of drawdown because they are not trading to face drawdown but only to trade to make money. tweet

I will never forget my Mother's words when I was honest with her on a trade one day. She asked how I did the day she visited the exchange. I said I lost a large sum of money. Well, her remark was "I wouldn't have done that!" I didn't attend to my business that day and left a trade on. You don't do that. But that is just what traders do everyday. They leave trades on when their Mother visits! tweet

Believe me, Your mother will visit you every day when you trade! You have to attend to your job of cutting losses. tweet

Just a couple of days ago, I was asked to go out on a nice boat trip for five days. It is costly if you don't attend to your affairs. There are times you must above all else attend to your positions. There are no long term trades! Only trades which turn into long term held positions. tweet

Don't ever let anyone tell you that they have a long term position on at any time. How do they know? How does anyone know? Only the market can tell you and it opens every trading day. Don't ask me what I think. It doesn't matter. I can only give you the best odds. It is up to you to believe what the market is telling you. tweet

ALS - How about rule two? tweet

POP - What can I say other than let set an example up. Ok today let us say beans opened at 85-88 and after he first half hour 85 was still the low but 90 was the high. What would you do if it was 15 higher at 88 and you put your position yesterday? Would you get out and take your profits, take half your profits or add to the position? tweet

I will tell you what most will do. They will take all of their profits. That is when you know your position was proven correct again from yesterday. What do you think the correct answer is? tweet

You must use rule two. You certainly don't reverse pyramid by putting the same or bigger positions on because the market could very well take out the lows quickly and you will have to salvage what you increased if wrong. Do it in smaller numbers. Your plan must tell you when you know what you did yesterday is confirmed ok that you must increase your position somewhere along the line. tweet

Sure, the argument is, but I am not sure it will keep going up. So what? We never really do anyway. So what is different about going with the current certainty? As long as you have rule one it makes no difference if you are wrong because you have all the doors covered. Don't ever lose sight of rule one when using rule two. tweet

Some traders will say that they don't really know where to put the trade on price wise. Yes, you do! The word E X E C U T I O N means make sure you guarantee you have that added position. There are times when execution is the most important aspect of a trade. If you can't get a position on you sure can't take on off. I know you have heard that statement in the past but it is with good foundation. You must say at the market in those situations. tweet

Ok, today we pointed out a situation where it was obvious to add. Looking back it is always obvious. What matters is that after enough lead on your position after you have put some time between the position and an advantage price of a little magnitude, you must be pretty sure it's time to take your profit. tweet

Well, don't take your profit. Add to your position. Then if it doesn't prove correct, take your remaining profit and expect to re-enter at a different level. So what if you lose a few ticks because you put an added position on and it was wrong! You will get enough lead on adds that you won't ever think twice after you see the run-a-way markets! tweet

It's isn't because I say so but because the market catches traders the wrong way. It is seldom that it's not the case. tweet

When a market gaps higher or lower, you are in a position to take the profit takers position away from them. Do it, but use rule one when you do. That way you will never worry if you are in a correct position or not. Doesn't matter anyway because with your rule one, you will do the right thing. It is never bad to be wrong. Only then can you benefit when you are correct. tweet

Most traders will make a trade and lose a good amount and miss the next trade. Out of step with the market is bad and it gets worse. Don't get out of cadence for long on any one trade. That way you can half step right back in line. tweet

ALS - Phantom, you are acting as if everyone can do what you explained. tweet

POP - Not everyone can do what they must do. Learn what you are capable of doing and stick to those parameters. Use the protection rules in your parameters. Don't modify them or misunderstand them for your own satisfaction. Use them as they were meant to be used. They will hurt you if you don't use them correctly. tweet

ALS - We could use more examples of how to use your rules but I feel the readers will get a little overwhelmed if we continue to throw examples at them. We could address every situation and eliminate most of the required interpretation by the traders. I don't think we should do that at this time. tweet

POP - Yes, I totally agree, as the integrity of a subject is not always how well it is presented but how well, in this case, it is impressed upon traders. It is up to the trader to fully comprehend their part of what is required of themselves. They can make mistakes but as long as they use the rules properly, they will stay in the game. tweet

It is a fine line when creating a program to trade markets. I have always suggested they establish their own criteria based on the best knowledge they can find. You start with point and figure charting to understand the characteristics of your market. Even if it is someone else's chart, you must see what the market is capable of doing to traders. tweet

I am not saying that there aren't good trade programs but only that the trader must fully understand where the criteria in these programs are establishing the entries and exits. These programs will never have rules one and two in them so you will have to incorporate them which could void the program. So be careful and express your concern with the program vendor on these matters. Your concern is to keep your drawdown within reason to allow you to trade forever. tweet

Art, have we covered it yet? tweet

ALS - Never in a thousand books can we cover it completely but I think we have made our point and you have made your mark on the readers thinking. tweet

" You can trade well when you are thinking good. " ---POP tweet

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