i met the late clyde lee at an early tim morge forum...he worked with 4 pivots...his possibilty charts looked like the first chart... his probability chart looked like the second chart.... just as i ,through simply collecting ,came up with...clyde had no use for fib.... he did not think it could be quantified..... my work disagrees.....a funny tale... on the day of the low in march03, clyde made a major post saying there is NO PLACE FOR TIME IN charting... i replied that based on the way joed had taught me to look at time, that afternoon i had seen the most powerful time based buy signal i had ever seen...and so it goes...