other geometry....simply know the geometry of the other side... the most frustrating thing for me is in trying to explain to non members how that works WHEN I COULD NOT SHOW THEM ALL THE GEOMETRY.... but my friend rat 89 is here now and i can show him everything....we here at the forum can argue, think other are out of their minds( the mad short seller?) but we know one thing... we are commited to the same geometry....i agree totally with jim that this market is going to the moon until one day they pull the plug... but that does not stop me from relentlessly showing short trades and being accepted here because i use the tools... certainly in a way that jim never imagined someone would do...this last run up in SNP has been a series of .382 pullbacks... just like in a trend day....where will it end... my guess is around the 1363 area.... i expect the last move into pivot will be clear elliot 5 wave on smallest tim frame and that the geometry of sell will be seen across thehourly charts... after that pullback.. it will be off to the moon again...

if you are trying to use the index charts to project targets....all of mine are anchored not on the obvious, but on the gap left behind....