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Does anyone really make money trading futures?

Does anyone really make money trading futures?

I am just wondering.

I know I don't. I have tried all the indicators and the chat room gurus, and none of them make money.

I have a suspicion that a lot of the chat rooms for emini trading are just for hobbyists and market enthusiasts and not for serious traders trying to make a business out of trading.

For any new traders out there please be very cautious of paying anyone to mentor you or signing up for training or a chat room. From what I have seen the only people making money in these deals is the mentor, the chat room owner or the author of the training manual.

I would love to hear from you if you are a successful trader making 20% off your account or better over the past year. I know only 5 to 10 percent of traders are supposed to be successful, but I am beginning to think that zero percent of traders are successful over the long haul. Certainly anyone can have a streak of luck and rack up a few good months where they dramatically increase their account size, but these people are normally big risk takers and eventually they blow out their accounts by taking the exact same risks that help double their accounts in the first place.

Thanks in advance for any response.
I completely agree. Teaching a discretionary method is very difficult.

Mark Douglas in his book Trading in the Zone discusses what you have just said in great detail. He emphasizes that there is no way that you can tell if a trade that you take is going to be profitable or not. All you know is that a series of trades using that strategy will result in net profitability.
voodoo I dont mind your questions at all. I didnt know about collective2 it looks interesting. As I said before I am not a vendor. You havent and wont ever see me advertising anything about trading.
To review I called and traded live to a room of 15 or so last time while answering questions and while answering e-mails and sending out email trades to others who had trouble hearing me . It was very hectic not all my normal trading routine and the people that took the trades made money. People asked me to teach them I said ok. thats the end of it. I dont intend to do it again.
Daytrading there maybe a misunderstanding. My methods are not discretionary. This is the point I am trying to make.
I am being simple here.As an example.
A Fib 50% retracement can be a strong trade. How do you know it is going to be a strong trade or after we pause at 50% the market is just going to head through maybe to the otherside of the range. Do you just take all 50% fibs and hope for the best? What I have is a confirmation method to tell me if I should take the trade or not. The confirmation is more than just area confluence. So what I do is first I detrmine trend and what I expect the market to do next. Then I identify the possible areas of a good trades before we reach those areas. Then as we approach the area's I look to see if my entry charts are giving me a confirmation signal that indeed what I expect to happen at a given area is indeed going to happen. If I get confirmation I take the trade. If I dont then I dont take the trade. I dont think this is discretionary
At times,and I did this when I was calling trades, price action tells me that even though I am getting a signal the trade may fail. This I think is discretionary and is something that comes over time by observing price action at given points and signals but it is teachable because there are some specific patterns that occur that tell you price will keep going in the direction counter to your trade so you can teach these patterns as well.
Hi hunterone,

I've been a lurker here for a short while and decided to register just so that I can make this post. I was really impressed by your post dated 10/29 where you addressed the "4 things needed to make money trading". I think you succinctly described what is required to become a successful trader - a perspective that I fully subscribe to. Although, I wasn't a part of your two trading demonstrations, I also appreciated the fact that you gave folks an opportunity to see you trade knowing that they would make comments on this forum.

Anyway, the reason for my post is that I wanted to ask you to expound on one of the four items you covered in the aforementioned post. Specifically, the one addressing "a way to interpret what action is happening when an area is hit", which you also wrote about in your last post above. Could you go into more details about what you do, perhaps even use an example and charts, if possible? I thought of sending you a PM, but thought that you are not concerned about sharing your ideas in public because of everything else you've already shared. I trade mostly using Market Profile. The way I monitor price action as price approaches a key reference area is by looking for divergences using a modified MACD (the only indicator I use), and using volume analysis and Time & Sales. This works well, but it is still an area where I need to improve, and I'm always looking for more insight from experienced traders.

By the way, I agree with BruceM's post about sharing trading information on this forum to fulfill your desire to help aspiring traders without missing out on any trading days. I'm sure that I, and other aspiring traders, would greatly appreciate your contributions.

Although, I directed this to hunterone, I would appreciate comments from anyone else as well. Thanks in advance.
Originally posted by pips2007

Nonetheless, he was an excellent trader, best of the I have seen to date and his trading sytle matched mine. He got you pts the easy way. Set and forget.

I would really like to hear more about this tradergod person. Do you have any more stories to tell about him, anything at all?
Denali, I am not sure what I can add to what you do. I dont use the MACD but I do use divergence. The best thing to do is start with trend. What is the current short term trend and then recognize the longer time frame trends. Read the market and figure out what you are seeing and what you expect to happen. Expectation is key. Then look for the expected price action to happen at your expected area ,confirm with your MACD divergence then take the trade.
Monday for example opened with a clear down trend so the expectation was for an attempt to find a price from which the market would attempt a retracement. You expected that retracement to fail and continue short. So you would be looking for a logical point for the retracement to fail and when you got a confirming signal in the area of that point you would have shorted. As a MP trader you would be looking for a test and failure of the VAL,single prints or the POC. Also never try to pick a bottom or a turn. The market must prove to you the trend has changed and a bottom is in.
Originally posted by ghost_7

Originally posted by pips2007

Nonetheless, he was an excellent trader, best of the I have seen to date and his trading sytle matched mine. He got you pts the easy way. Set and forget.

I would really like to hear more about this tradergod person. Do you have any more stories to tell about him, anything at all?

I think he changed his name to H. Grail
sorry, VAL, Single Print, and POC..??? Please explain these as am still trying to learn some of the terms and acronyms. If I was guessing I would think POC is for Price Oscilation(sp)Change?
Bart: They're explained in the Glossary.
Thank you
Good news for those that have asked. My trading partner from my Skype room wants to join in so we are going to call trades in the paltalk room next week for a full week. He is without a doubt an expert with median lines among other things.

We will be doing exactly what we do when we are trading daily together. We use different methods to trade but usually our strong trades come at the same areas. We will not be teaching.
We will answer questions.

I found that after teaching some people what my partner told me was true. Pulling the trigger is the biggest problem traders face regardless of the trading method. This week should provide a great deal of insight into how money making traders pull the trigger.

The paltalk room is ES Trading Today and we will be there beginning Monday running till Friday.
You said " The key for me will be to stick to the strategy I have developed, be patient" . This is true for everyone. But winning strategies don't last forever. And it's impossible to know when they will fail until you have a drawdown and have to re-evaluate. It's a tough business - and to be successful you must be able to accept loss. Let's say you want to earn $100,000 from trading. You have to understand that you are going to lose at least $100,000 to do it. Not all at once. But over time throughout the year. Or lose more. Of course, you will win too, But face a streak of losers in a row and you will start to cut short you winners and running the risk of changing your performance metrics. The only way to win in the long term is to have winning trades that are mush larger than losing trades. And that is very tough to do. It requires painfully accepting that a winning trade will come back a stop you out - then go on to win once your stop is taken. It's a tough business and after 8 years with a major investment in time and money I was unsuccessful at it, I think swing trading on money you don't need with small risk is the only way (for me). I am trading CFD's now with a risk that is completly controllable and have much longer timeframes. (Example - been long corn for 2 months.) Good luck on your journey of self discovery - for that is what the markets offer you after time spent learning.