Starting it off.

Jim, I read through this last night, and can't understand why you're engaging with this guy. Who is he? Why waste your energy? Am I missing something? He reminds me of the poster/ troll from another forum who made the claim that roofer stole from him and has tangled with me on the his idea that fibs are meaningful because they are not hit perfectly at every turn. Tell him to get lost, ignore, and prosper is my motto.

Originally posted by jimkane

Einstein's definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. I keep thinking if I explain it right these kind of people will come around. But it always plays out the same.

Marcin, I appreciate you posting some comments in that crazy thread. But that guy and his disciples, well, in my humble opinion he has everyone brainwashed to think that if anyone from my private area 'defends' me it is just more proof that I'm crooked and the defender is part of the scam. I really don't understand what is wrong with this guy. I know he has an absolute vitriolic hatred of anyone who sells anything trading related, no exceptions. Maybe he got suckered real bad in his early days? Probably.

I know it all really started when roofer would post. But TSHTF when I went into 'his' daytrading area and he was like an attack dog. I think he didn't like me having more posts and a much higher reputation count than him, and then how dare I go into his thread and post. Kind of like how all the main Fib guys in the early days linked to me, bought my books, some even taught some of my stuff with proper credit, then they started getting asked more about my work than their own, and slowing, one by one, they took the links for me off their pages, stopped showing or acknowledging my work, and then they started saying they never even heard of me.

One famous guy, very famous, bought my books and taught my stuff at the CME, with acknowledgement, then pulled my links, and is on record in a recorded seminar saying, when asked about my work, 'I bought Jim Kane's books, but I never read them'. It wasn't long after, though, that my adjusted set concept was in his software, no credit. His two programmers also bought my books. Point is, people see my elevation as a diminution of them I think, and they fight to defend their 'status'. But, they can't see that. Anyway, I'm not sure what you planned to say, or how that will come across.

Jim, what I was going to write today is to point out a complete lack of consistency and basic logic in his accusations, referring to the way you teach, your business model, which is for sure focused on single students instead of paid services e.g. monthly fee for forum access which is a standard elsewhere.
I don't want to put him down directly but let other readers see, what is really going on.

He is the main guy who posts out there. He kind of looks at it like it's 'his' forum. He's the guard dog. Guy owns it, and does the admin, but Guy isn't a poster. This is his business. This character, he 'runs the show', and does so with an iron fist. So I was contributing a lot, and feeling good about what I was sharing for newer traders. He started saying roofer was a shill for me, and he started to get it in for me. Defending roofer escalated him. When I posted once in 'his' daytrading thread he went into full attack mode. It went mostly the way it is going on the current thread, with all his disciples attacking me also, and Guy eventually deleted out most of the threads, something rarely done. I left the public area for good, which wasn't fair for all the traders that benefited from my posts. If he would have caught these few posts and deleted those, too, none of this would have happened.

So, basically I feel this guy is a Nazi Gestapo over a forum he doesn't even own, he chased me out when I was the highest ranked poster at the time, and he has thought ever since that he did a good thing, chased out the bad guy, and I know it has stuck in his craw since then that he didn't succeed in getting me to close down my website and leave MyPivots in its entirety. I think the final victory for him would have been to get Guy to delete off both my forums once I left. So, it is unresolved for me, and bothers me to this day. I enjoyed contributing out there, and he took that away because of his blind hatred for anyone who sells anything.

I thought I was 'popular' out there and made a big contribution to the value of this forum, but everyone (outside of my readers) all sided with Bruce and threw me under the bus. Many were people who had emailed me asking questions over the years. It felt pretty bad to be forsaken. I will say, though, that one guy, super-respected here, had emailed me many times and said it was insane, my work was great, and that he thought my side was well-presented and valid, and the other side was basically crap. He is a highly skilled real trader, and he actually told me that he thought the guy wasn't a real trader, and that his style wasn't workable (he has a lot of experience in that style).

So, what's that old saying from Hamlet: "The lady doth protest too much, methinks". Maybe the truth is he can't trade, so he attacks people who he feels threatened by. If he feels he can discredit them, then he feels better about himself? I don't know, something weird is going on. I explained in that thread what set me off. Funny, too, it was clicking on your darn nickname that did it. Notice how rat is a hot link? I was wondering what that went to, clicked it, saw a link for 'Fib table' and I was like Fib table, at MyPivots, most of these guys hate Fibs. I clicked on it, saw his posts shredding me, and it all came back. That's why I did it. That a fairly popular link, and everyone reading it gets to see the hero of this forum trash me, and I just couldn't take the injustice.

Even though I knew he would decline, I was still hopeful he'd say yes, be duly impressed, and post that I knew what I was doing. It was delusional on my part. Notice how, in his very first post he uses manipulative techniques common in law enforcement and interrogation (I think he's had some training in military or police interrogation, or in PsyOps). He 'takes control' and says he has no intention of contacting me personally. That was my condition. I said I did not want to debate it in the forum, in order to take me up on the offer he just had to contact me personally. He did the opposite, showing he was in control, exactly what police and military interrogators do.

So, that's the story.

Originally posted by rat89

Jim, I read through this last night, and can't understand why you're engaging with this guy. Who is he? Why waste your energy? Am I missing something? He reminds me of the poster/ troll from another forum who made the claim that roofer stole from him and has tangled with me on the his idea that fibs are meaningful because they are not hit perfectly at every turn. Tell him to get lost, ignore, and prosper is my motto.

Originally posted by jimkane

Einstein's definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. I keep thinking if I explain it right these kind of people will come around. But it always plays out the same.

FYI... I'm out for a few hours then back. Thanks for all you've helped me in the short time I've been here Jim; as well as the empowerment you've offered with your books. Later.

You can if you want, but I am sure it will come across as a shill. He'll say, elsewhere, that the whole thing was a set up, and then in come the shills. He has this deep seated hatred of vendors that goes beyond common sense. He must have been taken real bad in the past, or had some other bad thing happen to him. His replies don't follow the topic, he ignores everything, then he spins off topic and says I am the one doing all that. It makes no sense. But I wonder how many people have the ability, like you and I, to follow a logical argument. So, I suspect his lines of reasoning make perfect sense to many...

Originally posted by MarcinO

Jim, what I was going to write today is to point out a complete lack of consistency and basic logic in his accusations, referring to the way you teach, your business model, which is for sure focused on single students instead of paid services e.g. monthly fee for forum access which is a standard elsewhere.
I don't want to put him down directly but let other readers see, what is really going on.

Anyway, after the fact (because I can't do it before the fact, right?) the ES went right up to the resistance I mentioned for an easy trade moving over 7 points, then dumped nicely, down almost 9 so far. Yawn. Time to go sell some books or hawk some mentorships somewhere...

Originally posted by jimkane

Anyway, after the fact (because I can't do it before the fact, right?) the ES went right up to the resistance I mentioned for an easy trade moving over 7 points, then dumped nicely, down almost 9 so far. Yawn. Time to go sell some books or hawk some mentorships somewhere...

I do wonder if it's the same trader. He has talked about "fib vendors" on another forum. Jim, he had emailed you a while back about something. Is it possible, since you know this person previously, that he used an alas at some point?

Originally posted by jimkane

You can if you want, but I am sure it will come across as a shill. He'll say, elsewhere, that the whole thing was a set up, and then in come the shills. He has this deep seated hatred of vendors that goes beyond common sense. He must have been taken real bad in the past, or had some other bad thing happen to him. His replies don't follow the topic, he ignores everything, then he spins off topic and says I am the one doing all that. It makes no sense. But I wonder how many people have the ability, like you and I, to follow a logical argument. So, I suspect his lines of reasoning make perfect sense to many...

Originally posted by MarcinO

Jim, what I was going to write today is to point out a complete lack of consistency and basic logic in his accusations, referring to the way you teach, your business model, which is for sure focused on single students instead of paid services e.g. monthly fee for forum access which is a standard elsewhere.
I don't want to put him down directly but let other readers see, what is really going on.

And here's the new topic. Everyone please go there and vote that up (if you think it is good). Also, I added a post to the above one thread, so make sure even if you voted before you go and vote up that one. I know there are more people reading this than four, so please, everyone, help me out. I need to make sure that they don't seem vulnerable to down voting and we get the positive vibes going. Thanks.

http://www.mypivots.com/board/topic/8616/-1/charts-from-4-29-16