The Trading Zoo

I've started this topic because I am under the impression that ahk works with The Trading Zoo and he is active on this forum and may be able to provide information and comments about this service.

I believe that it will be constructive to have a topic/thread dedicated to The Trading Zoo so that the merits of this service can be discussed in isolation to the other topics which have collectively dealt with several trading services in the same topic including The Trading Zoo.

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Originally posted by ahk

Moreover, the lawyers could subpoena you and follow the dots to your pals who violated the agreement they signed. Why would who want to put your buddies at risk just to carry out your silly game? With friends like you, who needs enemies?

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This is just a technical curiosity and has little to do with this conversation. If someone is using an anonymizer (i.e. proxy server) to access this forum then how would you trace the person who posted the set-ups?

This wouldn't be information from the trial room.....lol....The lawyers couldn't do "squat" if someone takes someones handwritten notes ( as the Zoo supplies no wriiten material) which is their interpretation, then types them up and renames and modifies some "traditional" price action setups that the ZOO uses....of course we can throw in some bid ask analysis for good measure and there you have it...Imagine the Zoo trying to lay claims on patterns of prices that have been around "forever" ...ridiculous.....LOL...You couldn't even trace the source these days with so many alternate emails and people signing on at yahoo and hotmail like your pals who send me the viruses.....talking on the phone....etc... Don't fool yourself..

You are forgeting about your "confidential" emails to me...where you pleaded for me to leave you and the Zoo alone...this is where you mention the Stockbroker job...but I have answered enough of your questions as you never address mine..I will address no more questions or requests by you.....

I will always remember the fact that I gave you a "golden" opportunity to post that actual trade and you failed....one simple trade and you couldn't even do that...and anyone who sees your statements who takes a trial isn't even allowed to comment if they are good or bad...how lame....I guess you got it all covered Barry/Aaron......Well, I tried to warn you but you want to antagonize me more......

Nice evasion Bruce. Houdini would be proud.

Meanwhile, I'm working on a way to shut one of us up and get a few extra bucks in the process. It will entail a challenge of sorts based on real trades over a 3 month period. It will be verified by Guy if he chooses to agree. If not, we'll have to find someone else to be an escrow agent and judge. More to come on this after I get my thoughts together which will be under a new topic in the Traders Lounge called AHK vs. BruceM. Trading Challenge. The winner will receive $5,000.00 from the loser and the results will be posted on the forum.

Remember I answer no more of your request...lol....and I have nothing to prove to you....why should I go to prove myself at this point when you have failed so miserably...I have never offered to sell my ideas and contribute freely with my setups.....nice try again .......I posted this in my last reply so don't even try to go down this path in light of this statement I made....

".but I have answered enough of your questions as you never address mine..I will address no more questions or requests by you....."

So you obviously will now try to use this "challenge" idea to discredit a civilian who isn't a vendor.....you are wasting your time......let it be known that my statement was made ahead of this last request and that I am saying in advance that you and your shills will now try to rope me into another path...it won't happen...sorry but try another plan....you are so desperate..it must hurt...

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Originally posted by ahk

It will be verified by Guy if he chooses to agree. If not, we'll have to find someone else to be an escrow agent and judge.

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I have no problem being the impartial judge to anything so long as it does not take up an inordinate amount of time. For example, I cannot sit in a chat room and verify trades called out.

Judging by Bruce's reply this won't happen in this case.

However, for the record, if anybody is reading this and wishes that I verify records confidentially then yes, I am prepared to do this. In my opinion, the most time efficient and convincing way to do something like this would be for me to call the trader's broker and chat to the broker about the results that the trader claims to have achieved.

Is that sweat I hear dripping down your forehead?

Surely you can out-trade a "fraud" as you called me whose trades come from a "scam" service and take this chance to get on your high horse again and really prove all your claims you've made in the past? Think of how you could bask in your glory and be $5,000.00 richer. C'mon Bruce, you could outrade a "loser" like me with your eyes closed. Just use those valuable setups like Pitbull 1,2 &3 you posted and all the other great setups you've got in your trading bag.

Bruce, please don't run away from this golden chance to prove every anger-filled word you said about me and the Zoo. Don't be a coward and run; gosh, I'm making this as easy as possible for you to be the hero you always wanted to be on this forum. The Great Randi who exposes the frauds and scammers.

The challenge thread will be up before the sun rises tomorrow. My advice is to read it, add and post what changes you think are reasonable. Be a man who takes action, not a mouse that roars. Men are judged by their action, not words.

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Originally posted by BruceM

Remember I answer no more of your request...lol....and I have nothing to prove to you....why should I go to prove myself at this point when you have failed so miserably...I have never offered to sell my ideas and contribute freely with my setups.....nice try again .......I posted this in my last reply so don't even try to go down this path in light of this statement I made....

".but I have answered enough of your questions as you never address mine..I will address no more questions or requests by you....."

So you obviously will now try to use this "challenge" idea to discredit a civilian who isn't a vendor.....you are wasting your time......let it be known that my statement was made ahead of this last request and that I am saying in advance that you and your shills will now try to rope me into another path...it won't happen...sorry but try another plan....you are so desperate..it must hurt...

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Nice try AHK but this was posted before your silly challenge...

".but I have answered enough of your questions as you never address mine..I will address no more questions or requests by you....."

Perhaps you are having problems reading... If I wanted to be 5K richer I would trade more contracts like I advised you to do instead of trolling for referal fees like you....lol......as expected you are trying to divert attention from you and trying to shift this thread,,,you obviously needed a new way to attack me......

I always intended for my posts to be educational...whether it be "calling" out a fraud like you and the tricks you vendors use, my own setups or the questions I ask regarding Market profile or posts regarding my opinions on Good or bad vendors .........You can put whatever "spin" on this you want....it won't help...I will emphatically sayu this again...that you are trying to divert attention from your short comings.......This thread is about the ZOO and you are part of the ZOO...now you expect me to prove something to you........what for? once again a vendor on the attack.......i must be a mind reader to always be one step ahead of you and know what you will do next....my next prediction is that you will continue to use this challege thing to continue to avoid the real topic and point the arrows at me...so from here on if i type "arrow pointing" it means my predictions have come true once again...i may type a bit more but only if needed...so go ahead and make me right again

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Originally posted by ahk

Is that sweat I hear dripping down your forehead?

Surely you can out-trade a "fraud" as you called me whose trades come from a "scam" service and take this chance to get on your high horse again and really prove all your claims you've made in the past? Think of how you could bask in your glory and be $5,000.00 richer. C'mon Bruce, you could outrade a "loser" like me with your eyes closed. Just use those valuable setups like Pitbull 1,2 &3 you posted and all the other great setups you've got in your trading bag.

Bruce, please don't run away from this golden chance to prove every anger-filled word you said about me and the Zoo. Don't be a coward and run; gosh, I'm making this as easy as possible for you to be the hero you always wanted to be on this forum. The Great Randi who exposes the frauds and scammers.

The challenge thread will be up before the sun rises tomorrow. My advice is to read it, add and post what changes you think are reasonable. Be a man who takes action, not a mouse that roars. Men are judged by their action, not words.

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Originally posted by BruceM

Remember I answer no more of your request...lol....and I have nothing to prove to you....why should I go to prove myself at this point when you have failed so miserably...I have never offered to sell my ideas and contribute freely with my setups.....nice try again .......I posted this in my last reply so don't even try to go down this path in light of this statement I made....

".but I have answered enough of your questions as you never address mine..I will address no more questions or requests by you....."

So you obviously will now try to use this "challenge" idea to discredit a civilian who isn't a vendor.....you are wasting your time......let it be known that my statement was made ahead of this last request and that I am saying in advance that you and your shills will now try to rope me into another path...it won't happen...sorry but try another plan....you are so desperate..it must hurt...

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Now If I where a vendor and had something to prove to win new clients this would be the best approach so lets see If Aaron and the Zoo who are vendors take you up on this generous offer....such an easy way to quiet the critics...HMM..let me make another prediction...I say he will not and he will continue to attempt to badger an individual trader like myself who only needs to prove himself in the trading battle ground daily as I donot sell anything.....Lets see which way he turns....

great idea Guy

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Originally posted by day trading

However, for the record, if anybody is reading this and wishes that I verify records confidentially then yes, I am prepared to do this. In my opinion, the most time efficient and convincing way to do something like this would be for me to call the trader's broker and chat to the broker about the results that the trader claims to have achieved.

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Originally posted by day trading

This is just a technical curiosity and has little to do with this conversation. If someone is using an anonymizer (i.e. proxy server) to access this forum then how would you trace the person who posted the set-ups?

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Originally posted by ahk

Guy,

I'm not a lawyer or forensic specialist, but I understand there are many ways of tracing individuals to the computers they use regardless of these things. Most servers keep logs including proxies. People who think they are anonymous on the Internet are delusional. The best way to hide your actions is to go to an Internet cafe, wear a mask and pay cash if they accept it just like in the movies.

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Most anonymizers don't keep logs and that is how they sell their services so that there is no way to back trace a person. By not keeping logs (disabling the logging feature) they save themselves the hassle (and expense) of having to provide those records if subpoenaed.

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Originally posted by BruceM

Now If I where a vendor and had something to prove to win new clients this would be the best approach so lets see If Aaron and the Zoo who are vendors take you up on this generous offer....such an easy way to quiet the critics...HMM..let me make another prediction...I say he will not and he will continue to attempt to badger an individual trader like myself who only needs to prove himself in the trading battle ground daily as I donot sell anything.....Lets see which way he turns....

great idea Guy

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Originally posted by day trading

However, for the record, if anybody is reading this and wishes that I verify records confidentially then yes, I am prepared to do this. In my opinion, the most time efficient and convincing way to do something like this would be for me to call the trader's broker and chat to the broker about the results that the trader claims to have achieved.

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Yes, that's exactly what I have in mind, Guy. The playing field will be level. After I post the terms of the Challenge, Guy, please feel free to comment on how the process might be better.

Bruce you and I both have a great oppurtunity to challenge our critcs with real DATA not words. Don't run and hide claiming you are simple civilian and poor slob trying to earn a living trading etc etc. You're in this thing up to your neck and you can't run away and hide now. The rubber is finally meeting the road. Stop asking the forum for sympathy. You should have thought about all of this before you took the path of lambasting me in an effort to discredit me and the zoo.

The Challenge will give the Internet an unvarnished look into the truth. Me (a student of the Zoo) and you (a professional trader who claims the Zoo is a scam and fraud). Let the record and facts speak for themselves. I sense your fear and desperation by the use of extra large bold type. Relax, you have nothing to fear. You should be able to beat me hands down and show the world that I am everything you claimed page after page after page on this forum.

For what it's worth, I was an original Trading Zoo student. Sam Baum's system was dangerous, all counter-trend with short profit targets with larger invisible stops.

A few of us students started out own Skype room to ignore the teacher's setups but rather take in his priceless information regarding the e-mini, which alone was worth the $6,000 as I gained a true understanding of how to read and trade ANY liquid market. I think one of the traders using our new modified trend setups with trailing stops actually sent someone his trading statements to someone on another forum years ago which shut the naysayer up quick.

Anyways, Trading Zoo is back but run by some of the traders who have been successful for over the past 6 years using our modified system.
I want to personally promote this because of all the original TradingZoo did for me.