Traders International = SCAM ARTISTS

Traders International (TI) is a SCAM and RIP OFF!!!!!!

Yes, I might as well where a dunce hat and sit on a donkey. These guys are the biggest scam artists on earth. I have been trading with them since April 09 and have yet to make any damn money from their bullsh*t indicators. I have done nothing but lose money with these idiots since i started. It's a f*cking crab shoot. Lets just say that I can flip a coin and make better guesses.

Here is how they count their points gained:
1. When I started, they used to show the ninja trader dom while the moderator trader and made calls. We could see the entry and exits. Now they have taken the dom off the screen completely. Their excuse at first was that it kept crashing, but now it's because they don't want to show it. Instead they just want to show us their sh*tty charts.

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2. They use the ninja trader dome (which I really like by the way) and the damn thing is in sim and the jerk offs try to convince you that its live. If it were live the account number would be showing. How stupid do you think we are? Well, I guess pretty stupid for signing up with them.

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3. When they showed the dome while we were trading, the moderator would always try and get away with a losing trade by saying that you should have taken your profits when I told you at 1-4 ticks, which is horse sh*t since he said to go for 2 points profit and loss. Let me give an example of how they trade:
1. You have to remember that they are supposed to give you clear
entry and exit points (which they don't) and lately the
moderator supposedly makes a call and oh guess what,
"the mic was off again, you guys didn't hear me make that 3
point trade?" This has happened 4 times in the last month
since they took the trading dome off the screen. Also, the
rooms are in privatized mode so that you can't see what other
people are saying or complaining about. Only the Signal
room, previously called the Pro room, allows you to see what
others are saying; and it's funny that the same people
(about 10) consistently post profits. The rest of the time the
moderator is yelling at people and telling them that it's
their fault that they got out too early or too late. - It goes
something like this: "We are only going for nibbles here
traders (1-2 points)." And when you are in the trade: "I
suggest you take profits here at 1-2 ticks because this is not
going anywhere" or "you should get out now at about 1 point
loss, oh wait, hang on let me look at the price action
again." some people end up getting out at 1 point loss (only
to have the market turn around and actually go in their favor)
and the others get out at 2 point loss. God forbid if it goes
in his favor and you say something, because he will rip you a
new hole. He basically says "It's your fault, you should have
stayed in the trade longer" EVEN AFTER HE SAID TO GET OUT.
2. he starts with 2-3 contracts.
3. he takes 1 out at 1 point and usually the other 2 at
2 points, but sometimes he uses the 3rd contract to ride the
wave just in case it keeps going (90% of the time it
doesn't).
4. Now that the trading dome is gone, we can't even see when he
is getting in and out. He makes a call and everyone gets in
at that price and he will tell you, oh I got in at a tick
or two better for some reasons. You know what I get it,
slippage happens, but who the hell are you kidding. This crap
is happening more and more now that the trading dome is not
visible.
5. Here is the real kicker in the butt. After telling people to
get out at 2 points, he leaves the remaining contract on the
table just in case it does go up, and guess what they post on
the site for the world to see? A 2.5 POINT PROFIT. Lets break
it down here: One 1 point profit + One 2 point profit + One 2
point loss = 1 point profit (you still have to take out $4.8
per contract for broker fees). Where the hell did they get 2.5
points from. I'll tell you, its from him letting that last
contract run longer, but what the hell? Didn't he just tell us
to get out? A lot of times the numbers on their site don't
even add up to what the actual profits where. They are wrong
%65 of the time on the calls. Thats worse than me flipping a
coin and making a call.
6. Don't even bother trading with them when it gets close to
options expiration. Good lord - ALL the calls are wrong. It
turns into a BUY HIGH and SELL LOW type of trading.

I'm going to start recording them on my computer (I wish I had done this sooner, before they took the trading dome off) so that I can hopefully get my credit card company to reverse the charges. As of yet, my credit card company will not refund me and they will not stop further charges.

Take my word on this, DO NOT SIGN UP WITH THIS COMPANY. TRADERS INTERNATIONAL IS A SCAM AND RIP OFF. Oh, I forgot to mention this, their "PROPRIETARY TRAINING" or what ever the hell they called it is crap. There is a lot more and better free info on youtube.com than these idiots provide. What they provide is not even training. A kid can put better information together.

And by the way, don't bother questioning them on why they made a call. Whether it was a good call or a bad call, it doesn't matter, the moderator will only yell at you and tell you he will not explain it to you. WTF?

I'm leaving out a lot, but I'm tired of typing all the crap that is wrong with TI.

DON'T GET SUCKERED LIKE I DID - RUN FOR THE HILLS.......NO REFUNDS....
JUST A BIG MIDDLE FINGER IN YOUR FACE.

SCAM, SCAM, SCAM, SCAM, SCAM - YOU ARE BETTER OFF O/N YOUR OWN.

I stopped trading with them in May of 2009 and have made my own trading signals that work 75% of the time. If you want to learn about trading, go to www.daytradingradio.com. the video feed is free, but if you want to see them daytrading, just sign up for the 2 week free trial. I have been with them a month before I started with TI and made lots of money. Then came TI and I have now blown my account way under the $25k daytrading limit. Thats why I made my own signals so I can work my way back up so I can start trading stocks again.

Screw playing with the FUTURES as an only source of income. It is harder and more dangerous to play than stocks.

I have warned you....please don't make my mistake. I don't know where else to post this thing to get the word out, but I will be posting it to as many places as I can.

TRADERS INTERNATIONAL IS A SCAM.

Hi Jason,

Please take the time to contact me directly through the TI channels...ie email and skype. We can talk and work your trading plan together and develop the best way forward for you right now.

I hope to hear from you soon.

Best Regards,

Dale

Jason. Jump on this. This is what Traders International is all about. The most terrific support you will ever find. I love this company more than I can express here. I have had a long business career and never come across a company this caring and outstanding. Just ask and you will get any support you need from the very best and Dale Kasdan is the very best. He is a brilliant tough no BS kind of trader/moderator of Trader International's room for more experienced traders. He does not even allow the inexperienced or traders with moderate experience in his room. He knows as well as anyone what you have to do to start, move forward and eventually become experienced enough to enter his room. But he will explain how you should begin. He has offered you help and you should not walk or run but race to get it.

Follow it to the letter. Do not in a financial panic ignore what he says. In my panic I thought I would get the course down in a week, trade in sim for another week and then go live. Didn't happen that way. Not even close. But I hung on by hook or crook because this I knew. I knew Traders was my answer. I knew it because of the way it came to me. If you are determined you will find a way as I did but DO NOT LET FINANCIAL PANIC BE YOUR GUIDE. DO NOT.

That this brilliant experienced trader is offering you help, I will tell you that you will never find better and down the road you will be posting on this board what a changing day it was in your life to take Dale up on his offer.

In the arena of trading and vendors that provide fee-for-service … when I sense a “love fest” of guru/messianic flavor and intensity … I feel compelled to step up and call it as it is … especially in this situation. Like I’ve said, lives can be ruined.

Here’s the draw, the hope, the description … an image of hope



Here’s the reality, when you’re in the financial and mental/emotional position described earlier



CAVEAT EMPTOR!

Livingwell and Mod-dude ... post your trading results here or at least provide that documentation to Jason. And Jason, if you do not require this of them or they do not provide it ... and dance around the issue ... well, Angel of Death visits shortly. Been there done that ... from both sides!

that first picture with the angels and the trumpets...im confused...is that jesus or Dale Kasdan?

It's Ted Nugent.

Look at the other thread "Nextbartrading" in the same section...one of the guys got screwed royally for $10,000!!!

Now's your opportunity to watch all this live in front of 100's of traders ...

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Live Trading the Russell 2000® Index Mini Futures
When: 11/12/09
Time: 9:00 am cdt
Presenter: Traders International
Speakers: Afshin Taghechian
Register: click here

In this live event Afshin Taghechian, Founder & CEO of Traders International, will demonstrate how he trades the Russell 2000® Index Mini Futures using his account. Afshin will look for trades in Russell 2000® Index Mini Futures and show you:

• The set ups and indicators he uses, such as MACD and Stochastic
• Why and where he places stops
• Why and where he sets profit targets
• How he manages the trade

Thanks for the heads-up PT. Anyone who is or will potentially be considering looking into this training would be foolish not to sign up for this. Then ask the necessary, real and bottom line tough questions. If they provide real answers and documentation that satisfies you enough to shell out some dough ... then I'd still recommend you sleep on it for a day or a week or a few years. Remember, this is a "promotion" and they will be in "sell" mode.

But hey, if they can walk the walk over time ... and truly prove themselves ... well, let's just see what unfolds.

Kazden and TI are a joke,I was there for over a year. Only a few made money that had enough money in their account and used other strats or indies. The use Stoc and MACD and look for divergences,and you want $6k for this?? and pay $299 a month for the trading room access??
And you want to insult my ass for not following your trading plan??
What trading plan ?? it changes every month! Hey KAzden,I mean Peter Ustinov,how are the Pioneers doing?? Oh they blew out their $5k account trading 1-2 contracts,I see. You still kick ppl out of the room when they question anything,you are the Messiah?? Oh,the ppl with the SIM accounts make money and the real acct holders lose? how is that?? delusions of grandeurs. I hear you demo traded the SP,not traded it with real money,is that true?? Its endless,all true BTW,I am not worried about being sued for slander when its the truth. The NFA would like to hear more about TI,since they aleady got a few cases already filed against them years back.

I hope everyone is doing good and staying away from companies like Traders International. I have not traded for over 2 years now because a few weeks after I posted that comment in 2012, my dad was diagnosed with brain cancer and after a long struggle, he ended up passing away. Just wanted to update this post and show that what I posted was not fake. I have attached a pdf of my month end statement in Jan. 2012 to show anyone who doesn't understand what a real trade statement looks like or for any of you who didn't believe me when I said I was making way over 20k per month without the help of crooks like Traders International! I have also included a daily statement in pdf format as well and NO I'm not going to leave my name or account number on there. I always take out anything above $110k-$120k from my account. Taking money out above a certain limit you set for yourself is a must; hard to explain why, but it helps psychologically. Go and compare the statements that Traders International(TI) shows to fool people who are newbies into believing their lies. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried copying this or something similar to make their simulation trades look like real trades. This will be my last post here. Good luck, stop being sheep, and stop being lazy. Do the leg work required to teach yourself because the information is on the internet for free. You just have to find it and stop relying on other people to do the hard work for you.